Posts by Hobo Ken

Good points .They are hardly trail blazers are they? They needed a hook and the name Jehovah's Witnesses is it so it would follow that they would jump on any work which referenced the name Jehovah.

As for writing to the society..... Iv'e done that in the past and got precisely nowhere. I'll need to put up my letter to them one day.

>narkissos

As far as could see the J 2 Manuscript referred to work from a scholar called Shem-tob Ben Issaac Ibn Sharput Who I assume has some kind of Jewish connections.

Im aware that the above post makes it appear that the Jesuits are Jewish when in fact they are a catholic order. Sorry about that.

Rushed this one a bit. Need to check my refs more carefully next time...........

Hobo.

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The parting shots before it all gets HEAVY!!!!!!

by Hobo Ken in

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this is a link to my death or obedience blog with the final part of our visit from the elders (podcast7) before they instigate judicial proceedings against me.. you will hear an amazing denial of what was said in the first visit regading the united nations.. i ask my brother would he personally have done what the wts did when they joined the un?

his response will have you squirming.. go and have a listen and spread the word please.......... also available on itunes.

thank you all in advance.. matt..

Hobo Ken

bttt

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Our Bible is the "best".............

by Hobo Ken in

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i've heard this said so many times.

just why do jws think the new world translation is sooooo good?.

is it because they are proud that their religion has the resources to produce a whole new translation?.

Hobo Ken

Point taken narkissos. since the J symbol includes some jewish scholars work I had assumed it was a symbol purely representing Jesuits when it's not.

And you are corrcet it's only the WtS that have inserted YHWH in the greek text.

I have modified it.

Ty.

H.K.

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Our Bible is the "best".............

by Hobo Ken in

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friends

i've heard this said so many times.

just why do jws think the new world translation is sooooo good?.

is it because they are proud that their religion has the resources to produce a whole new translation?.

Hobo Ken

I've heard this said so many times. Just why do jws think the New World Translation is sooooo good?

Is it because they are proud that their religion has the resources to produce a whole new translation?

I got an email comment from a guy who was in a bit of a rage about the nwt and how people needed to know about it.

I felt so sorry about it (he'd obviously just found out) that I told him I'd write a piece on my blog about it.

the blog is here New World Translation examined

Hobo ken

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How long were you a JW and how far up the "ladder" did you get?

by Gram in

since there are lots of new people, how about we resurrect this thread..

Hobo Ken

Bastised at 14...jeeez

Regular pioneer at 16.

Married at 19.

Min servant at 20.

Came off poison-hearing at 23

And deleted from ms same year......seems when the horse stops pulling the cart it gets shot.....

brief surge at 25 aux pio for 6 months.(working full time so extra credits)

df'd at 35 for not believing the bull anymore and not keeping it on the low.

Bit of a roller-coaster

Hobo

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The parting shots before it all gets HEAVY!!!!!!

by Hobo Ken in

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friends

this is a link to my death or obedience blog with the final part of our visit from the elders (podcast7) before they instigate judicial proceedings against me.. you will hear an amazing denial of what was said in the first visit regading the united nations.. i ask my brother would he personally have done what the wts did when they joined the un?

his response will have you squirming.. go and have a listen and spread the word please.......... also available on itunes.

thank you all in advance.. matt..

Hobo Ken

>ninja

Ta mate.

>lurk3r

I don't even think I got that far but my brothers reply was certainly tense.....

Tanks again for your suppport.

Hobo

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The parting shots before it all gets HEAVY!!!!!!

by Hobo Ken in

jw
friends

this is a link to my death or obedience blog with the final part of our visit from the elders (podcast7) before they instigate judicial proceedings against me.. you will hear an amazing denial of what was said in the first visit regading the united nations.. i ask my brother would he personally have done what the wts did when they joined the un?

his response will have you squirming.. go and have a listen and spread the word please.......... also available on itunes.

thank you all in advance.. matt..

Hobo Ken

This is a link to my death or obedience blog with the final part of our visit from the elders (Podcast7) before they instigate judicial proceedings against me.

You will hear an amazing denial of what was said in the first visit regading the united nations.

I ask my brother would he personally have done what the wts did when they joined the UN? His response will have you squirming.

Go and have a listen and spread the word please.........

Also available on itunes

Thank you all in advance.

Matt.

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so they never claimed to be an inspired prophet?

by ninja in

*** si p. 9 all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial ***.

line of communication.

16 someone may ask, what has been the means of communication?

Hobo Ken

Thanks for starting this thread Ninja, I know you took a few hits because the info from the S.I. book was referring to the method of inpiration in relation to the Bible itself.

I'm sure you were aware of that fact before yopu posted the quote as you later qualified it by way of comparison to how they operate under a similar system.

As we all know they don't ever waste ink saying something which has no underlying message laced through it like a sweet poison.

In the quote you posted it's clear they would apply this same methodology to their own appointment and would meet their own unique beliefs/criteria.(My additions in yellow)

(1) Jehovah God originates his utterances; Their belief in their particular named God enunciated here......

(2) then his official Word, or Spokesman—now known as Jesus Christ—often transmits the message; (3) God’s holy spirit, the active force that is used as the medium of communication, carries it earthward; They of course are his official spokesman who "transmits" the message today.

(4) God’s prophet on earth receives the message; and They of course were "appointed" as have called themselves God's prophet on earth.

(5) he then publishes it for the benefit of God’s people. Just as on occasion today a courier may be sent to deliver an important message, so Jehovah at times chose to use spirit messengers, or angels, to carry some communications from the heavens to his servants on the earth.—Gal. 3:19; Heb. 2:2. The word "publishing" appears here..........wonder how that fits?..........also notice "god's people" is used....

So although this quote is reffering to the Bible the loaded language that's used will be instantly recognisable to the mind of an indoctrinated cult member who has read these same expressions many hundreds of times in the publications with refrence to the wts themselves.

After all the Bible is a poor second to a Jehovah's Witness both in authority and actual reading time. The "tools" that JWs are required to accept is where the actual doctrinal imperatives are even above the Bible.

Remember the thread is about them being prophets and if you place your authority above the Bible then you are greater than a prophet.

April 1st Watchtower 1986 page 30-31. "The Governing Body are the sole interpreters of the Bible" and "accepting this FACT is a requirement for approved association with JWs"

Massive statement.

H.K.

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New member introduction

by deemoo in

i'm new to the forum and couldn't find a place for new members to introduce themselves... so here i am, starting a new topic!(bold!).

i started studying with the jws a few months ago.

we're now on chap.

Hobo Ken

@ ninja .......hahahahahahahahahahahhah brilliant!